EURO 2008 Discussion Topic

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Thu May 04, 2006 13:46

Vice Vecta wrote:
Kyosuke Kagami wrote:Fucking referees, they ruin everything :0

I still LOL @ the finals in France 98, and all the Korea games in Japan - Korea 2002.
Specially when Mexico losses to US in the quarters of final and, magically, the next day, the economical debts of Mexico to the US dissapeared in a poof of smoke and obsolescence. Coincidence? Magic? Viva Mexico y la corrupcion, hijos de puta! LMAO

The quarter-finals? The US didn't make the semis so I dunno what you mean. Round of 16 you mean? Anyway I doubt a quarter-final berth is worth the US giving Mexico political favours.

Kyosuke Kagami · Post by **Kyosuke Kagami** » Thu May 04, 2006 15:27

Sheba wrote:I didn't see any fuck up by the referees in the '98 WC final, unlike the Spain-S.Korea match in 2k2.

Then I don't understand why France got his ass kicked in the preliminars in Japan - Korea 2002 so quickly. And they were the defending champions

Also Brazil didn't use all its arsenal during the France98 finals, they were too weak, and that just "no".

France is not a bad team... but they reputation dropped drastically after that. Nowadays they're considered the WORST World Cup champions so far.

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Thu May 04, 2006 15:31

Um Uruguay

Sheba · Post by **Sheba** » Thu May 04, 2006 15:46

Kyosuke Kagami wrote:
Sheba wrote:I didn't see any fuck up by the referees in the '98 WC final, unlike the Spain-S.Korea match in 2k2.
Then I don't understand why France got his ass kicked in the preliminars in Japan - Korea 2002 so quickly.

Overconfidence.
They used the same team setting over the months, by the time the World Cup started, everyone knew how to counter them.
They had not counted on the new blood, relying on the same old.
They relied on Zidane too much, as if he was the Football's Jesus. That's a French thing to rely on one man to decide their own direction (see Napoleon, Joan d'Arc, De Gaulle...).
The French tendency to blame things on bad luck. A lot of reasons to explain why they just plain sucked, Gaseous Snake made a nice post to explain it, and it was rather accurate.

Also Brazil didn't use all its arsenal during the France98 finals, they were too weak, and that just "no".

We are deeply sorry the Brazilian did not like the french food, we deeply apologize that we didn't let Ronaldo to train long enough under enough G to hit the SSJ4 level.

Every football team, heck everyone and everything, have their bad days. Otherwise Brazil would have won every damn World Cup if they were that hax.

For the last part, I don't disagree, but I don't agree either because I honestly doesn't care about the reputation of every football team who won the World Cup, excepted Italy and Germany, the former for being the King of Turtling and the later for confusing football and street brawl (lol let's punch the player and not have the referee noticing it, in the 1980s)

Kyosuke Kagami · Post by **Kyosuke Kagami** » Thu May 04, 2006 16:14

Well, at least you got a point.

Though I think we ALL agree with something: the referees' overall imcompetence in JK2002 helped Korea a lot.

They weren't a bad team, but... semifinals?

Sheba · Post by **Sheba** » Thu May 04, 2006 16:16

Kyosuke Kagami wrote:Well, at least you got a point.

Though I think we ALL agree with something: the referees' overall imcompetence in JK2002 helped Korea a lot.

They weren't a bad team, but... semifinals?

It is politics!

Too bad it didn't helped Japan! Otoh, it helped jpn to keep themselves clean.

Kyosuke Kagami · Post by **Kyosuke Kagami** » Thu May 04, 2006 16:18

Because Japan sucked a lot in that cup. They needed a totally new team if they wanted to get somewhere.

I heard Japan is way stronger now.

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Thu May 04, 2006 16:30

Too bad Japan are in one of the hardest groups, along with the mighty Australia! *cough*

And Japan got to the last 16 last WC, which was pretty good for an Asian country before 2002.

-4n'Dant3- · Post by **-4n'Dant3-** » Sat May 06, 2006 14:58

Les Bleus have always had a talented lot of players that never seemed to be able to play to their potential on the international stage, aside from the 98-2000 gap. Since then none of the younger players have stepped up, the old have gone and France seem to be stuck in an endless transitionary period. Failure at this WC could be because of Domenech, who never picks Pires and Giuly, probably France's best wingers.

The squad is gifted with plenty of talented individuals who are versatile and provide depth. And it's just too bad that Boumsong is now beyond redemption to be a part of it.

I agree that France lost early in 02 because of overconfidence, and low morale. They weren't playing that great prior to that WC and they were up against a young side who mostly plied their trade in the French League. They didnt seem to care less after that game, and Henry's red card in their last game was pretty much the final nail in their coffin that year. Not that he was doing well in midfield anyway... But why are they the worst champions? Champions are champions. We congratulate a team on their acheivements, rather than compare them with others, because it takes more than skill to win a tournament. That year, France played well, took a host of factors well and fully deserved to win the cup. You can say the same thing about Liverpool and Red Star Belgrade in the Champs League.

Looking to the future, I hope the likes of Mavuba and Ribery realise their potential and become worthy successors of Makelele and Zidane. France won't do well this year, but I hope they pull something off for old time's sake.

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Sun May 07, 2006 09:27

Rothen > Pires

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:20

UEFA Cup Final

Middlesbrough Vs Sevilla

starts in about 9 hours!!! Can't wait, got some money on Boro to win.

-4n'Dant3- · Post by **-4n'Dant3-** » Tue May 16, 2006 15:06

I give McClaren about... 4 to 6 months as England manager.

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Wed May 17, 2006 09:12

Yep, Boro pummelled by Sevilla 4-0. Boy is my face red.

Anyway, Champions League Final is starting in about 10 hours!!! My bets:

$10 on Ronnie to score first at $6.
$50 on Barca to win by one goal at $3.35.

7d3j · Post by **7d3j** » Sat May 20, 2006 08:34

I'm back online and am still feeling sore from the CL Final.

Ref was bad.

Game got spoilt.

Barca deserved to win looking across the entire finals, Arsenal deserved to win considering only the game.

Either way, Henry stays! WEET!

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Sat May 20, 2006 15:42

I made $100 from the game so I'm biased, but I think Barca deserved to win the CL, despite the horrible officiating. If Arsenal did win, Barca fans would be screaming murder at Giuly's disallowed goal, despite the extra man advantage.