Kula Diamond (XI)

~!T.T!~ · Post by **~!T.T!~** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:07

on a side note, dunno if this has been mentioned, but i dont think kula's juggle-slide, stand c (1 hit), LDM hits in the corner.....or at least i've never done/seen it before. stand a, LDM works anywhere though

Derrace · Post by **Derrace** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:51

~!T.T!~ wrote:on a side note, dunno if this has been mentioned, but i dont think kula's juggle-slide, stand c (1 hit), LDM hits in the corner.....or at least i've never done/seen it before. stand a, LDM works anywhere though

yes, it does connect. You would need to time the Stand C (1hit) later than usual.

Stand A hits anywhere as it doesnt push the player back as much...having said that, Stand C makes the opponent travel a higher (thus further) projectile route, and since the opponent is in the corner, all you would notice is him "bounce" higher and not further.

Just think of Kyo's

A, wait,

A combo in the corner. Hopefully you would get what i mean.

~!T.T!~ · Post by **~!T.T!~** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 06:50

yep, that makes sense

also, whenever kula whiffs her LDM, i know she's invulnerable, but would things like shen's

,f C get her (i'm assuming that command/generic throws will still connect)?

Ratix0 · Post by **Ratix0** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:44

I don't notice much people using this kula cheese pressure <_<...

Her Far C and Crouch D are one of my favourite Kula Normals. Both have good range and priority. What to do when opponent is trapped in corner? Position yourself such that you're about Far C distance, or Crouch D distance, whichever fits, do it, cancel into A diamond breath. It doesn't matter if he blocks, it just ticks him. A Diamond breath seem to have such a fast startup and cooldown, your opponent can't punish you at all. Most of the time, Crouch D and Far C gets blocked, the opponent will mostly try to punish you if they do not know of this. A Diamond breath gets the all the time. Far C and Crouch D has a hell of long cancelable frames, and can cancel even if it whiffs. Use it to bait and all. Rinse and repeat, with variations. Try C diamond breath when the opponent get used to it. They block, they stay in guard stun, jump in pressure.

I managed to get 2 characters down just by this corner pressure before the guy smart-en up <_<.

AcidicEnema · Post by **AcidicEnema** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 18:43

LDM can be juggled *after* Diamond Edge Max. Not a dream cancel.

christensenray · Post by **christensenray** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 06:21

Ratix0 wrote:I don't notice much people using this kula cheese pressure <_<...

Her Far C and Crouch D are one of my favourite Kula Normals. Both have good range and priority. What to do when opponent is trapped in corner? Position yourself such that you're about Far C distance, or Crouch D distance, whichever fits, do it, cancel into A diamond breath. It doesn't matter if he blocks, it just ticks him. A Diamond breath seem to have such a fast startup and cooldown, your opponent can't punish you at all. Most of the time, Crouch D and Far C gets blocked, the opponent will mostly try to punish you if they do not know of this. A Diamond breath gets the all the time. Far C and Crouch D has a hell of long cancelable frames, and can cancel even if it whiffs. Use it to bait and all. Rinse and repeat, with variations. Try C diamond breath when the opponent get used to it. They block, they stay in guard stun, jump in pressure.

I managed to get 2 characters down just by this corner pressure before the guy smart-en up <_<.

Hey Ratix0, havnt seen you round for a while. Anyways, far C is punishable by a roll cancel. Opponent ends up behind you and you're in a world of pain. So can be used once or twice to annoy, but after that, the opp knows your game and will roll cancel out of it.

AE: LDM can be juggled *after* Diamond Edge Max. Not a dream cancel.

Actually, it IS a DC. When you juggle after the DM, you are still in attack stun. Even though it is a juggle and not an interruption, you are still interrupting your attack recovery frames, so you still get the DC message and it still costs the skill stock.

AcidicEnema · Post by **AcidicEnema** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 09:46

Ah I don't use Kula, so I don't plan to verify it soon. I have been hit by it before tho, and I was pretty sure I didn't see a "Dream Cancel" message.

Might only work if the Diamond Edge MAX connected against an air-borne opponent.

If you do try it again, let us know if it works.

Tsubasa · Post by **Tsubasa** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 07:37

In the newer Henvoke videos, I'm seeing the Kula ending her B&B with

P instead of the usual

C (she isn't leader so no LDM). Does anyone see why? I observe that it does a respectable amount of damage, but is it more than the

C? I'm also wondering if it's being done so Kula's left in a better position to oki; especially in the corner.

~!T.T!~ · Post by **~!T.T!~** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:23

its safe if you stuff up the combo, and yeah, oki is better.....also you can QS to some things after it in the corner (like silber's overhead kick super, as i confirmed today)

Post by **SonicTempest** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 04:42

New Henvoke vids show Kula doing down D -> LDM.

o_O

Derrace · Post by **Derrace** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 05:02

ShadowSonic wrote:New Henvoke vids show Kula doing down D -> LDM.

o_O

yah, i think this was mentioned before.. anyway, it was something we always wanted to do (in previous versions) after a CD or Down D. I remember combo movies making use of the "counter hit" effect to land otherwise-not-possible combos.

I believe Jump E, LDM for her, K' and their counterparts should work as well.

Slapper Joe · Post by **Slapper Joe** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:39

~!T.T!~ wrote:also you can QS to some things after it in the corner (like silber's overhead kick super, as i confirmed today)

. . . . .

Who needs Kula LDM? Only 10 or so less damage and in corner allowing stomp pressure

J]-[UN · Post by **J]-[UN** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 14:18

JumpE/StandE can't chain into juggle-LDMs unless they are a counterhit

Silber's dmg gets toned down massively if done in a QS :S

frionel · Post by **frionel** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 14:53

Yes they can't chain into juggle DM/LDMS but they can totaly juggle into Free Juggles moves without any sort of counter hit... that's the particularity of these moves...

After, it's just a question of recovery/speed... but technicaly, after a E counter hit, you can juggle with a normal and juggle after with a free juggle move.

Empyrian · Post by **Empyrian** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 18:29

Yeah, I have done a counter hit Jump E, Jump C, LDM with Kim at some point.