Is this "cheap"?

Empyrian · Post by **Empyrian** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 05:03

Not all Asian players shun throws.

Western players/english forums seem to have more disdain for KGO on the whole and/or individually too.

What's wrong with using them?

Franz Bonaparta · Post by **Franz Bonaparta** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 05:22

Empyrian wrote:Not all Asian players shun throws.

Im one of them... When I was in S'pore, I was surprised by the level of Sporean's offense ability. They were fast,hopping like rabbits, unpredictable, monster QS combos. I had to turtle a little while and performed a few throws to stop their pace. I swear i could hear "cibai" everytime i performed a throw. Mayb Im not at their level in terms of offensive capability, but Ive never seen them perform tick throws... furthermore their defensive tactics were just anti air and zoning pokes.. i dun know..mayb im not Asian enough...

InFeCt|oN · Post by **InFeCt|oN** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 06:13

Empyrian wrote:Not all Asian players shun throws.

*sneezes*

Was someone talking about me?

D`Cloud · Post by **D`Cloud** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 07:16

ive actually had the same experience here with one person, but other than that verybody else seemed to throw.

and im from asia.. philippines thouygh

SonicWaver · Post by **SonicWaver** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 09:06

a little offtopic:

People here hates me because "according to them" i just "shoto, poke, turtle" all day long with Kensou.., and because i know pretty much all of ClarkÂ´s priorities against pretty much any attack.

Although most of them only use Gato for down D all day long, Iori for Hop D all day long and....pretty much any "repetitive and easy-predictable" shit you could think...

(and i dont lie, they HATE me...everytime i play...they just challenge to see who makes me take the bus home)

so...its kinda... "ironic" that people tells that one is Cheap...when...everyone pretty much uses some sort of tactic/strategy during its game

What do i do? i just smile at them and continue playing as i know, i may win, i may lose BUT ITS MY CREDIT.

Anyway, what could be the worst part Iie-Kyo?

that no more people challenge u and that u get the arcade 4 your own enjoyment? (i tell ya...cuzÂ´of personnal experience) its not that bad.

Just keep up doing what you want. (thereÂ´s guys who use infinites to win....and they dont think thats cheaper, just because of the difficulty grade?? comÂ´on!)

salutes.

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 09:07

Franz Bonaparta wrote:
Empyrian wrote:Not all Asian players shun throws.
Im one of them... When I was in S'pore, I was surprised by the level of Sporean's offense ability. They were fast,hopping like rabbits, unpredictable, monster QS combos. I had to turtle a little while and performed a few throws to stop their pace. I swear i could hear "cibai" everytime i performed a throw. Mayb Im not at their level in terms of offensive capability, but Ive never seen them perform tick throws... furthermore their defensive tactics were just anti air and zoning pokes.. i dun know..mayb im not Asian enough...

This is how my arcade plays, damn low pokes. Hardly anyone throws (including me) so I don't know their attitude on it.

J]-[UN · Post by **J]-[UN** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 09:50

There are some cheap bastards who call you cheap because their cheapness can't beat you and they can't stand to lose.

On the other hand there are some really skilled players who play the game to enjoy the game, and aren't sadly desperate that they abuse every underhanded

ass tactic just to win. These call you

/cheap/wtv because frankly you take away the enjoyment of the game....whats the point of winning if all you do is run away and crouch C/throw all day long?

Those who fall in the first category are the majority by far. They tend to insult you loudly too after their

ass-ness fails.

Those who fall in the latter category are a small minority...they usually just keep quiet anyway no matter what you do to them because they are too dignified to bother wasting breath on the lameass laming them.

Those who disagree with the mentality of the latter category are usually low skilled people who basically CANT win without resorting to their

tactics

This I say based on experience....been playing KOF since 98, and I keep my ears open

Franz Bonaparta · Post by **Franz Bonaparta** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:25

Eczema wrote:This is how my arcade plays, damn low pokes. Hardly anyone throws (including me) so I don't know their attitude on it.

Kula heh?? Low B stand B you to death. Ehh btw the most satisfying tick throw in da world: Maxima Stand d,forward+A, vapour cannon feint, Maxima revenger... ohh damn satisfying!!! Fake jumps to throws/special grabs are also fun haha...Shame we cant use that pressuring tactic from CvS2 in KOF, down+MP XX run XX down+MP.... throw! There are no such thing as "cheap" in KOFXI...its all biased... Take as an example J]-[un, he thinks that turtles are cheap and one of my friend reckons that using overly agressive tactic is cheap. Hell.. there are different variety of players, we all cant be the same... cheap is: using invincible secret/hacked chararacters or using any hacks in general such as less damage taken more damage caused, now thats cheap!!

Iie-Kyo · Post by **Iie-Kyo** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:37

Not all Asian players shun throws.

Yeah, just the ones at my arcade. Guess it's their loss for not being able to press a single direction and a button to escape eh.

About the Unholy Threesome (hey, there's two guys and a Kula, do the math), yeah, I won't blame you for wanting to win if you play them. But I can blame you for wasting my 75 US cents by playing a team that obviously will have a better chance of winning against the rest of the cast. I might as well give the person who uses the Unholy Weapons of God against me the match, since we all know how overpowered they are.

But we're getting off topic, tiers can stay the hell out of this thread. Yeah, I mentioned 2k3 Duo Lon, but I use him as more of a "walking system flaw" more than a top tier character, so he doesn't count as an actual character since SNKP was smoking some DAMN good weed when they were programming his move properties. We're instead talking about a very simple mechanic that ANYONE can counter (none of this one person has the disadvantage cos their character sucks more) to get out of with a bit of foresight and the pressing of a f/b + C or D.

Chibi K:

Yeah, it's a problem when people are low B, low A whores. They don't know what the C button does other than to do a super, or perhaps do an Iori scratch into the Aoi Hana.

Jhun:

I crouch C to stop someone's offense with Ryo, but not to turtle all day long with it. Once I use Ryo's simple one button answer to rushdown attempts, I start pushing the game back in their direction and rush them back down. Dunno how that is

in my opinion, but if you're talking about someone who stays away from you all day and does nothing BUT that, then I can see where yer coming from.

But from what I can tell, the responses here are mixed. Franz here has probably given me an accurate description of what I've experienced at the arcade. When I tick throw one of those guys, I hear some random foreign words, and my friend (who understands both Cantonese and Mandarin) tells me "you do know they're thinking it's cheap, right?" I just shrug and keep going.

But hey, we come to find that the truths that we cling to are all greatly dependent on our point of view, so meh.

Thanks for all of your input.

Eczema · Post by **Eczema** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 13:18

Franz Bonaparta wrote:
Eczema wrote:This is how my arcade plays, damn low pokes. Hardly anyone throws (including me) so I don't know their attitude on it.
Kula heh?? Low B stand B you to death.

IIRC, in 2K2 she could then combo

+C after that as well, and then you'll probably be in the corner. Can she do this in XI?

InFeCt|oN · Post by **InFeCt|oN** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 13:53

What if you can do combos after a throw that require "skill", like #R Millia's combos after a throw that can send an opponent from one side of the screen all the way into the corner of the other side. What if crouch Cs had combo options after them like Slash Ky's crouch HS counter hit followed by a close S into Vapor Thrust Loop or air combo.

It's scrub mentality. "Fighting games should be about doing combos all the time!"

Read: http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34747

Franz Bonaparta · Post by **Franz Bonaparta** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 14:37

Eczema wrote:
Franz Bonaparta wrote:
Eczema wrote:This is how my arcade plays, damn low pokes. Hardly anyone throws (including me) so I don't know their attitude on it.
Kula heh?? Low B stand B you to death.
IIRC, in 2K2 she could then combo +C after that as well, and then you'll probably be in the corner. Can she do this in XI?

Yes!! She can even SC it! So it goes like this!! Down+B, Stand+B,Dp+C SC

+C DM(qcfx2 P buffer)!! Thats why fighting Kula is so annoying!!

Fighting game is all about fun!! It doesnt mean you have to pull out damaging combos or you have to keep throwing your opponents or even sweeping them to death!! Its subject to your judgement! If you think that turtling is fun go for it, doing 1000hit combos is great go suit yourself and if you like to ammuse your opponents with throws and fireball/Dragon punch bait, well go ahead!! KOF is meant to be played in a way that you may define "fun"!SO please, showing anger or hate in this thread is truly unnecessary...

Tel · Post by **Tel** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 16:34

You know, I had a pretty heated discussion about this in GameFAQs. For most of the time, I play pretty 'honourably' even though I'm a crappy player, and doing so usually means I lose more often than I win. But the fact is, anything goes. I can't and shouldn't go about whining about someone beating me using

tactics when they are there in the game. At the same time, my opponent shouldn't bitch either if I decide to do the same thing.

This isn't that big a deal in KOF, but back in 2000 when I was playing MvC2, I used to be really good at the game. And 'good' in both sense; the cheap lockdown > chip opponent to death with strikers stuff, and the actual rushdown combos stuff. But simply because I prefer to play 'nicely' using the 'proper' characters to win, people get all POed when I bust out Cable, Sentinel and Magneto and utterly wipe the floor with them. Which is ridiculous when easily 9 out of 10 people I play with are people who stuff Akuma, Cable and Gambit (for that stupid glitch) in their match. The only reason I get called a cheap scrub was because I was flattening everyone in my arcade with their own tricks. Eventually, I just got fed up with the general playing attititude and quit the scene while I was on top.

What I'm trying to say is, people only tend to whine about cheap playing when they lose. If they can do the same thing you do and beat you, I doubt they're gonna complain. It's perfectly cool if you want to treat your opponent respectfully, but don't expect them to return the courtesy.

Empyrian · Post by **Empyrian** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 18:44

Franz Bonaparta wrote:
Empyrian wrote:Not all Asian players shun throws.
Im one of them... When I was in S'pore, I was surprised by the level of Sporean's offense ability. They were fast,hopping like rabbits, unpredictable, monster QS combos. I had to turtle a little while and performed a few throws to stop their pace. I swear i could hear "cibai" everytime i performed a throw. Mayb Im not at their level in terms of offensive capability, but Ive never seen them perform tick throws... furthermore their defensive tactics were just anti air and zoning pokes.. i dun know..mayb im not Asian enough...

Circumstantial evidence.

Since you are being region specific, then perhaps the reply should be categorical.
We don't actively go for throws but that does not mean that we don't know or won't do it when it is necessary. The players you played against probably don't feel that there is a need to use throws on you.

There's also the fact that a lot of players here are very good in breaking out of throws. XD

And I find "hopping like rabbits/monkeys/whatnot" to be mildly derogatory.

Iie-Kyo · Post by **Iie-Kyo** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 20:31

Empyrian wrote:And I find "hopping like rabbits/monkeys/whatnot" to be mildly derogatory.

I know, but I used to deal with a LOT of hop whores here. I guess it's a playing style, but they get pissed when I shoto them with Ryo, since I effectively shut down the main form of the game they're capable of playing.

Again, there's a high jump for a reason, sometimes that's a better idea to use than low jumps all the time.

And I'm aware that most of the regional players know OF throws, they just choose not to use them, but it still puzzles me as to why the ones who don't use them at my arcade believe such a tactic is "cheap" when they just as easily exploit every other unescapable system flaw to their advantage.

Hence of course the reason why I put the word cheap in quotes, since everyone's definition of this varies.