Kyo (XI)

-4n'Dant3- · Post by **-4n'Dant3-** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 18:14

did you remember to get skill stocks?

christensenray · Post by **christensenray** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 03:33

of course! however i wasnt doing the full combo, just C, qcfD,D qcfx2P, LDM, so maybe the opponent was too high in the air for it to connect? I thought this shortcut might be easier and more reliable, but i guess not.

Geese · Post by **Geese** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 02:48

Gemini its just timing....

i do

d, d ,

b,

a,

C sc into

x2 a -> LDM

cos this way I can judge how high the opponent is in the air when im juggling him and remove one of the

a if necessary but still hit most of the combo

frionel · Post by **frionel** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 03:42

??????????

B??? he still have this move?? I tought it was only a follow up now after the

A,

P...

Gemini83 · Post by **Gemini83** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 06:37

Geese wrote:Gemini its just timing.... the b needs to hit high, so that the opponent will juggle high but I do the combo differently

i do d, d , b, a, a, C sc into x2 a -> LDM

cos this way I can judge how high the opponent is in the air when im juggling him and remove one of the a if necessary but still hit most of the combo

I seemed to have the feeling that u mean

D, D,

A(no hit),hcb B,

a,qcf a,dp C (sc)

x2 a->Ldm?

is that wat u are getting at?coz theres no more

B anymore..I think I know where u r getting at.. hmm.. thx a million!!

Im not sure if this in practical can be done but i did miss

A coz i did it too fast before..

Derrace · Post by **Derrace** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 06:42

christensenray wrote:of course! however i wasnt doing the full combo, just C, qcfD,D qcfx2P, LDM, so maybe the opponent was too high in the air for it to connect? I thought this shortcut might be easier and more reliable, but i guess not.

dude, i saw you try to execute it the other day.. after the

D, D, you need to run forward before doing

C as he isn't in the corner. u need to run close enough so that his

C could actually get 2 hits.. then super cancel on the first hit. In doing so, the

C would actually hit him when he's very very low, allowing you to DC into LDM.. very nasty when this can be done when opponent isn't in the corner.

as for the

B? WTH???? going to try if you can actually

B after

D, D.. very unlikely.....is it a typo??

~!T.T!~ · Post by **~!T.T!~** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 13:31

yes, it is a typo. looks like he means

A,

B,

A in the combo, putting the lone

A after the

B string.....i could see how this would be better, though.....

Geese · Post by **Geese** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 13:46

yup... sorry guys, it was a typo...

(Corner)jump B, stand C,

D,D,

A,(wait)qcf A,hcb B, Dp C, (sc)

x2 A, (dc) Hcb x2 E.

even though this combo works, what I meant to say was that

its easier and more effective when challenging to omit the

b

Perfect Stranger · Post by **Perfect Stranger** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 19:29

Few things that no one's mentioned:

a auto guard got pumped up *a lot*. The auto guard frames come out pretty early in the execution of the move, and I think it auto guards all the way through from there. Spaced properly, it's a fantastic poke, since it's still very safe on block (not so safe if the opponent predicts you using it and rolls, but eh, so are a lot of things)

It's really very easy to cross over with Kyo this year. If your first jump b is blocked, do a hop b and you should cross your opponent up. That's it.

Dwn B, stand C timing seems to be a lot more forgiving this year, though since you can now do

b

a

d dokugami, I suppose this has limited applications.

The range at which Kyo does a close C, as opposed to a far C, seems to have been increased this year, i.e. close C comes out from further away.

RED kick seems to have improved a bit in terms of priority.

Fireball's recovery is pretty long, it seems best to be used after a blocked jump C, stand C,

b, to push the opponent away if you need to.

Since 2k3's stupid damage scaling system has been replaced with something more like Guilty Gear, Kyo's supers are usable again... the standard c,

d,d, orochinagi combo still does good damage, although I think you might have to hold the button for a while before releasing it.

Overall Kyo this year seems *really* good. If your opponent doesn't have a good anti air, between his easy 2nd hop b cross over and his

b

a

d Dokugami, a good Kyo can be a nightmare to face. He's basically got so many possible ways he can land that Dokugami chain on you now, and while the damage got cut back a bit from 2k3, it still hurts plenty, and it's pretty easy for the Kyo player to tag out after the 2nd hit of the Dokugami chain for even more hurt.

Scruffy · Post by **Scruffy** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:06

Perfect Stranger wrote:Few things that no one's mentioned:
Since 2k3's stupid damage scaling system has been replaced with something more like Guilty Gear, Kyo's supers are usable again... the standard c, d,d, orochinagi combo still does good damage, although I think you might have to hold the button for a while before releasing it.

There is no need to hold onto the punch button before releasing the Orochinagi - just delay the 2nd kick of the juggle.

christensenray · Post by **christensenray** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 05:57

Perfect Stranger wrote:

a auto guard got pumped up *a lot*. The auto guard frames come out pretty early in the execution of the move, and I think it auto guards all the way through from there. Spaced properly, it's a fantastic poke, since it's still very safe on block (not so safe if the opponent predicts you using it and rolls, but eh, so are a lot of things)

This is SO true. I pulled an aragami just as my opponent using Shen did his qcfx2P super. My aragami autoguarded the entire thing!! LMAO
Very satisfying.

Ratix0 · Post by **Ratix0** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 15:43

Can't seem to connect

,QCF+C after his QCf+D,D... That is I didn't delay the second kick... Maybe I should. But there ain't much diff between his QCf,QCF+A and

,QCF+C right?

AcidicEnema · Post by **AcidicEnema** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 17:46

qcfX2+ A is faster than the C version.

Case in point:

+C (1 hit)> qcfX2+ A combos, but the C version will not combo.

christensenray · Post by **christensenray** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:04

No skill involved with qcfD,D, qcfx2+A. Piss easy to do. Dont try to do anything clever, it just comes naturally. Dont hold A either, just press the button. I dont think C version does any extra damage, so just dont bother with it.

vtu22_2 · Post by **vtu22_2** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 16:18

Does anyone find Kyo's fireball a bit useless? I rarely use it since it comes out farily slow. I do admit that it does give him a combination with his gameplay, but it's also a bit disappointing that it doesn't do much damage.

If you ask me, they should've made his fireball like Kyo-1 where it's an OTG!

His fireball game cannot pressure well compared to his

+ punch game. Best thing is to use the fireball randomly at a distance to snuff ground attacks, rather than in combos.

What does everyone else think? Maybe there's some really damaging combos with his fireball??