KOF XIII: Shen Woo

[PenPen]

Hmm yeah, I'm having trouble connecting low B into standing/crouching C.
I suppose it's something technically possible but physically impossible for me to do. It does look or feel like it can link though.

[Kane317]

Hmm yeah, I'm having trouble connecting low B into standing/crouching C.
I suppose it's something technically possible but physically impossible for me to do. It does look or feel like it can link though.

I only got it to connect once, I hit them in the corner, I haven't gotten it to replicate since then. We were all shocked when I got it off.

[Tel]

Say, does the SSJ still power Shen up? I saw a pic of him glowing yellow in the mook. Same goes for Ash's ABCD as well. And can you pull the SSJ out of the blue without input buffering first like in 2k3?

[SonicTempest]

I believe the answer to all three questions is 'yes'.

[Tel]

Thanks!

[Dark_Chaotix]

Shen cB, cC at 2:44

[Kane317]

Shen cB, cC at 2:44

...along with a simple HD combo I think I'm going to pick up (yet again. I think I'm on my 4th revision...corner only...start from Ex Grab...style...across the screen etc.).

I managed to do his d.B, s.C, f.B in the corner, once last week, but never got it again. I think it may only work on wake ups like of the year for Clark (I think) where you needed to do d.B on wake up in order to get the s.C.

EDIT: d.B, d.C seems easier to do yet still hard. d.B, s.C I haven't gotten it again =(

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http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.0

Assuming you start each combo with j.C/D, s.C, f.B, here's a guide to use which combo to use under which circumstance:

No stock or Drive gauge -
~f+P or corner D, far C (~311dmg)

1 stock, no Drive gauge -  
Ex K, D x2, far B (corner d.C instead~402/430dmg)

1 stock, 1+ Drive gauge
Ex K, D, A. A, [DC] C, A, d.C (~522dmg) or Ex x2 (I can't get this to connect without SCing but I suppose you could do C.A.B.C instead)

Naturally, should use hyperdrive if you have two cancel gauges, so the rest are non-cancel gauge combos:

2 stocks -
Ex K, D x2, x2+P DM (~526dmg)

3 stocks -
Ex ~f+P, Ex K, D x2, x2+P DM (~601dmg)
corner  Ex A. A, D, B, C.A.B.C (~608dmg)

4 stocks -
Ex ~f+P, Ex K, D x2, Ex x2+P DM (~663dmg)
corner Ex ~f+P, Ex K, D x2, B, C.A.B.C (~671dmg)

5 stocks -
Ex ~f+P, Ex K, D, Ex P, Ex x2+P DM (~682dmg)
corner Ex ~f+P, Ex K, D Ex P, B, C.A.B.C (~691dmg)

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There are so many variations to his HyperDrive combos (HD) so it's really about picking your own poison.  Fortunately, all his (Ex) DMs juggle so SCing/MCing isn't a problem.  

If you don't like the fancy stuff then do the 5 stock:

(1) j.D, s.C, f.B, HD s.C, f.B, C.A.B.C, MC ~hcb+AC is already ~977dmg (if you add a +A [HDC]... before the CABC the damage is 983)

If you like to conserve stocks:

(2) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, A. A, [HDC]qcf D, A, [HDC] D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, D, B, Bakuten (C.A.B.C) (2 stocks, 831 dmg)

(3) j.D, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, Ex ~f+P, A. A, delay [HDC] +D, A. A, [HDC] C, A, [HDC] D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, D, B, CABC (3 stocks, HD, 870 dmg)

(4) Made popular by Haregoro's white Shen from the KCE vids: s.C/d.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, A. A, ([HDC] D, [HDC] C, A) x3, CABC. (2 stocks 818dmg / 822dmg if you do Ex x2+AC instead)

4 Stocks 100%:

(5) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, A. A, ([HDC] D, [HDC] C [charge half a sec]) x3, D, CABC, Ex x2+P DM[

(2b) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, A. A, [HDC] D, A, [HDC] D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, CABC, Ex x2 +AC

100% combos 5 stocks

(5b) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, A. A, [HDC] D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, [HDC] C [charge half a sec], [HDC] D, CABC, Ex x2+P DM

(5c) j.C, s.C, f.B, HD, s.C, f.B, A, [HDC] A. A, [HDC] D, [HDC] C, [HDC] D, A, [HDC] D, CABC, MC NM.

[Robocop Two]

Just thinking out loud here but if you are going in for a HD combo could you not access the super saiyan super earlier and reap the benifits of the damage increase during the HD combo? was thinking something like....

(after activate) , , , , , , , continue?

There must be something that puts the opponent high enough so that when you do hit with super Saiyan you recover in time to hit with more crap?

[Kane317]

Just thinking out loud here but if you are going in for a HD combo could you not access the super saiyan super earlier and reap the benifits of the damage increase during the HD combo? was thinking something like....

(after activate) , , , , , , , continue?

There must be something that puts the opponent high enough so that when you do hit with super Saiyan you recover in time to hit with more crap?

Oh the rainbow colors . Firstly, you have to be somewhat near the corner. Secondly, there are several combos that juggle you high enough to do the CABC AND have enough time to recover and continue but I doubt your one does (it needs to be pretty damn high to do the CABC into Ex x2+P DM and he barely snags them before touching the ground). Lastly, even if you did get them high enough I dunno if you can pick them up with say a A. Watch any CABC into Ex DM video and you'll know what I mean.

[Robocop Two]

I know, the colours are brilliant! I'm still just getting used to having the options.

I understand the combo would have to be near the corner (I actually thought it would have to be right in the corner but if you say there can be a little distance I believe you). I was thinking afterwards doing something like +B to get them back up in the air for some more juggle damage and better juggle damage due to the increase from the super but then again as you mention the x2+A+C super maybe that just is faster and all you can get?

Actually if you where to use the +B+D to launch high you should be okay for just tipping the C,A,B,C super and carying on afterwards or am I mistaken again?

Cheers again.

[Kane317]

I know, the colours are brilliant! I'm still just getting used to having the options.

I understand the combo would have to be near the corner (I actually thought it would have to be right in the corner but if you say there can be a little distance I believe you). I was thinking afterwards doing something like +B to get them back up in the air for some more juggle damage and better juggle damage due to the increase from the super but then again as you mention the x2+A+C super maybe that just is faster and all you can get?

Actually if you where to use the +B+D to launch high you should be okay for just tipping the C,A,B,C super and carying on afterwards or am I mistaken again?

Cheers again.

Well basically, it would seem, even with the highest possible juggle (your +Ds barely touch them) into CABC, barely allows enough recovery time to do the Ex DM. Now that I think about it, it'll probably not work since the Ex DM is the fastest of his arsenals (compared to +P etc.) and it barely snags them.

Good ideas though.

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BTW, are you the Robocop from XII who used Shen a lot?

Yup, tis I from England

Man, I loved watching your XII vids as you were really the only other Shen user (around the world .) You're going to love XIII's incarnation of Shen as he's an improvement of his XII version, and we all know how good he was in XII (plus he doesn't have those retarded 1-frame cancels). Recently, I've been abusing his far C (autoguard) into [SC]-only -- far C poke, autoguard, DM!

[Robocop Two]

Cheers for that, yeah, Shen was deadly but not many people used him (then again not many people played the game). I actually liked those link, weren't too hard to do but then again I never got to link in the super as well. You have kinda lost me with SC though, I thought that meant super cancel but I the way you have written that I'm unsure....that or it's just me being a retard so er... yeah more than likely me being an idiot here

[Kane317]

Cheers for that, yeah, Shen was deadly but not many people used him (then again not many people played the game). I actually liked those link, weren't too hard to do but then again I never got to link in the super as well. You have kinda lost me with SC though, I thought that meant super cancel but I the way you have written that I'm unsure....that or it's just me being a retard so er... yeah more than likely me being an idiot here

Oops, sorry for the confusion, old habits die hard. s.C means standing C (and it refers to the close version as oppose to Far C). Usually, if I write Super Cancel, I abbreviate it to [SC] just like [DC] etc... Yay for fragmented notations!

[Robocop Two]

So C(f) can be super cancelled, I assume that costs drive meter though? If not that sounds almost as good as Ryo's f+A super (even though Ryo's f+A is an overhead, it sounds like they both have alot of practicle applications).

[Kane317]

So C(f) can be super cancelled, I assume that costs drive meter though? If not that sounds almost as good as Ryo's f+A super (even though Ryo's f+A is an overhead, it sounds like they both have alot of practicle applications).

On the contrary, it does NOT use a drive cancel. Drive cancels by definitions are specials canceled into specials. Like a few exceptions in XIII (and first time every in the KOF series?), Shen's Far C, Terry's Far C, Maxima's Far C, Iori's s.A, s.B are [SC]-only (Super Cancel only, they don't cancel into specials ). Only in Maxima and Shen's case, they both have autoguard as well, it's almost unfair.

Since Shen's x2+P DM has juggle anywhere properties... =). Just be careful of canceling the x2 DM when the opponent is too high because it'll miss sometimes (you'll have to play around with it and you'll know what I mean.) Ex x2+P DM always hits, dirty .

Lately, I've noticed a slightly more advanced use is to Far C (autoguard) a ground opponent, BC, s.C, f.B --> combo.