Noisetank Crew wrote:HOW is gai A classin Japan?? I really dont see it. He really doesnt have an anti air and he has very bad vs match ups such as eiji, clark and tizoc. Anyone have any matches (new) showing Gai beasting, dont see him around much anymore.
Seems that only people who use Ramon are taiwanese players??
Perfect Stranger wrote:The thing with tier lists is that (I think) true experts at any game will always have a different opinion that the generally accepted tier rankings. Things begin to look different when you account for the fact that the experts will be able and willing to put in any amount of effort needed to master some particular difficult, nasty little trick that utterly blows away anything else possible in the game. The best example I have right now to describe this is Roll Cancelling in CvS2. With it, A-groove Blanka is an absolute beast. Without it, he's just really good.
So while yes, LDM Duolon might be insanely overpowered, the average player is going to be looking at Duolon and thinking "Hmm, low damage, pokes are quite good but Gato's looking so much better...".
Another thing I want to mention is this: Has anyone won large tournaments (or just placed really highly) with Duolon as leader? I know frionel (spelling?) went to SBO with his Duolon, K' and... was it Shen? team, but SBO was when the game was still in its infancy, and when the time release characters weren't allowed to be played. If the answer to "Has anyone won tournaments with Duolon leader?" is a no, however, then that's pretty strong evidence to show that Duolon leader might not be that high tier - after all, a *lot* of top players in the game use Kula and Gato to win tournaments, right? That should show that even at the highest level of play people think they give the best chances of winning, i.e. are higher tiers.
yah, it's true no one won any major tourney with Duolon as leader, that's because of the heavy command input required of the player when they use DL's LDM. But we should also note this: More chance to stuff up doesnt neccesary equate to crap LDM. There arent that many DL users because tourney players tend to go with the flow. high Damage with easy inputs and high priority. Think of it this way, Kula/Gato/Duck/any char Vs Duolon, if both players are down to 1 char each, both with 5 stocks and 2 skill bars, it's hard to say who would win. Chances of one of DL's down attacks hitting is very very high. U can have tick health for all I care, 1 down A, and it's GG. Now, surely that is worth more than a C tier.
sure there are hard combos to master, it just requires training, once perfected, it's very very nasty. Flashback SF3 Comp: Who would have thought that Daigo's Ken would parry every hit of Chunli's Kick Special? Hard to do, yes, impossible? no way.
Invincible Duo wrote:as much as i like DL, hes nowhere near S class unlike in kof2k3.
he just have some really bad matchups and doesnt do enough damage without getting really close to the opponent. highest i'd rank him is B.
[SS] Gato, Kula
【S】Oswald, Eiji, Duck (2P), Kim, Clark
【A】Ralf, Duck, Kyo, Maxima, Ryo, Gai
【B】Jenet, K', Ash, Terry, Shen, Jyazu, Silber, Vanessa, Kensou
【C】Malin, Iori, Duolon, Adelheid, Benimaru, Elisabeth
【D】Yuri, Ramon, Mary, Shingo, King, Griffon
【E】Hayate(?), Kasumi, Momoko, Athena, Whip
【A】Oswald, Eiji, Duck (2P), Kim, Clark, Ralf, Kyo
【B】Jyazu, Maxima, Ryo, Jenet, K', Terry, Adelheid, Vanessa (infinite), Gai, Malin, Silber
【C】Ash, Shen, King, Griffon, Ramon, Benimaru, Iori, Duolon, Yuri, Elisabeth, Mary
【D】Kasumi, Whip, Shingo, Hayate, Athena, Momoko
【A】Oswald (Leader), Ralf, Clark, Eiji, Kim, Kyo, Duck
【B】Terry, Kensou, Jenet, Adelheid, K', Ryo, Silber, Jyazu
【C】Gai, Malin, King, Ramon, Benimaru, Griffon, Ash, Maxima, Iori, Elisabeth (Leader)
【D】Shen, Duolon, Yuri, Mary, Kasumi, Shingo, Whip
【E】Momoko, Athena, Hayate
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