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Maxima's Move list!
Maxima Missile (prototype)
Vapor Cannon or
Air Vapor Cannon Air or
Blitz Cannon + or
Maxima Press (command throw) or (running throw) + P to finish
DM Double Vapor Cannon x2 or
Neo Max Maxima Laser - x2

Console Changes Movelist VId

Maxima press, is that his dash in grab or meant to be his +B/D grab? It would be quite weird to have the dashing one and not the close range one.

Dark_Chaotix wrote:Maxima press, is that his dash in grab or meant to be his +B/D grab? It would be quite weird to have the dashing one and not the close range one.

The running throw was "lift". Press seems to be a new move (it's a new name).

Ah ok... I never been good with names only notations. So that means he prob doesnt have his throw like he did in other games. Hopefully that changes later on and they add it in.

Oh man, I really hope bunker buster makes it into this game. I don't care if it's only as a Neomax, as long as I can still irritate my friends who love to spam projectiles. Please, oh please let it be in.

How the heck do you annoy a projectile spammer with Bunker Buster? They'll just get themselves some space and repeat, or worse, punish a whiffed bunker buster?

I really do hope his final movelist is more than what's displayed here, but I suppose a "new" Maxima isn't exactly that bad, Double Vapour Cannon sounds sexy.

So based on the videos Maxima Press is a dashing grab akin to Rugal's God Press, which pushes the opponent to the edge of the stage. According to PenPen it's unblockable - it has some startup pause before Maxima starts dashing.

EX Vapor Cannon wires. He also has autoguard on C Vapor Cannon, his DM and a bunch of his pokes.

Maxima impressions per FightClub.

Normals have changed some. Seems to have a larger range. Autoguard is pretty much the same (far D seems to be longer).
Low A is slower, but has increased range. Low B is a totally new animation, comes out fast. Not sure if can cancel into anything yet.
Far C is slightly faster but has less range. Stays out longer. Close C and low C are the same as before.
Far D is slightly faster than before, and has a longer autoguard. Low D is really fast and reaches farther.
Hop C is like hop A from before with a better range. Good for air to ground, combos easily to close C after doing as jump in. Jump D hits downwards, so you won't get low attack air counters as easily as before.
Standing CD is same as before, jump CD is same as XI.

df+C is his only command move, only good for anti-air, but it hits really high and will miss most crouching opponents.

Lost his qcf+P chain and his hcf+K.
VAPA KANNUN has strong version with autoguard (not sure with weak version), 2k2UM's dp+P VAPA KANNUN is in here as well. Jump qcb+P has him do the VAPA KANNUN diagonally downwards, good to catch dps. The air version will have him do a hop backward afterwards, and if it misses Maxima's screwed. EX VAPA KANNUN wires regardless if it's a counter hit or not.
dp+K flies higher and farther, at times he jumped over the opponent.
hcb+K has a followup qcb+P, light version is a grab move (not a running grab) and can combo. Heavy version has him dashing forward, has some startup time but dashes really fast, can use as anti-air somewhat (like Adel in XI). This is his main move.

DM so far is his qcfx2+P, comes out fast, autoguard on startup, but not really high damage.

Neomax is his KOF: MI chest beam super. Has dramatic pause effect (Pen: He said "lock frame" which means animations are suspended for a second or two?), even if the opponent does a weak attack from afar, or is almost landing from a jump, it'll hit, but damage isn't as high, around 35%.

Combos:
Jump C -> close C -> qcb+A
hcb+B -> qcb+P followup
hcb+D -> qcb+P followup -> DC qcb+P (1/4ths life gone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOCauirN1nA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The throw attempt at 7:31, what is that?? Was that the dash grab missing at close range?

Dark_Chaotix wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOCauirN1nA

The throw attempt at 7:31, what is that?? Was that the dash grab missing at close range?

As I said, hcb+B is a close range grab. That's the miss animation, but if it connects it ends like the D version (sends opponent to wall with a slam).

Trying to use Maxima's qcfx2+P DM more to see how it can be used as anti-air, as I think it has some autoguard in there.

Slightly offtopic but awesome Shen Woos in them vids.

PenPen wrote:

Dark_Chaotix wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOCauirN1nA

The throw attempt at 7:31, what is that?? Was that the dash grab missing at close range?

As I said, +B is a close range grab. That's the miss animation, but if it connects it ends like the D version (sends opponent to wall with a slam).

Trying to use Maxima's qcfx2+P DM more to see how it can be used as anti-air, as I think it has some autoguard in there.

I was reading somewhere that said his Maxima Press (hcb+K) into followup (qcb+A) is only SCable unless you do the Ex Maxima Press in which it's both drive and super cancelable. Can anyone test this out, I'll try it out myself.

PenPen wrote: Slightly offtopic but awesome Shen Woos in them vids.

Thanks, one of the few times I did good and recorded it.

SonicTempest wrote:So based on the videos Maxima Press is a dashing grab akin to Rugal's God Press, which pushes the opponent to the edge of the stage. According to PenPen it's unblockable - it has some startup pause before Maxima starts dashing.

EX Vapor Cannon wires. He also has autoguard on C Vapor Cannon, his DM and a bunch of his pokes.

-Maxima Press B is unblockable, it's considered a command grab however when it connects it'll press him against the wall. The whiff animation looks like any command grab.
-Maxima Press D is unblockable but has a slow start up
-EX Maxima Press is blockable
-All of Maxima's ground strong normals, have Guard Point (autoguard); d.D is the only exception.
-Vapor Cannon C will wire if it's a counter, EX Vapor Cannon will counter wire every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVvDeVdk-cw#t=06m00s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is the only time I've seen his EX +K connect but not finish, otherwise it has to be the most reliable EX overall.

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Maxima only has three special moves (if you count air.vapor cannon he has four). The cool thing is he does massive damage and his limit is his stocks (the more he has the more creative the combos can get). .C has pretty good horizontal range as well.
Combos:
-d.B, d.A, +B.+P -->
-(d.Ax3)/(d.B, d.A, .C), Ex +P (wires), .C, (df.C), +K/Ex +K.+P -->
-Crossup j.C, d.A, .C, +P/hcb+B.+P -->
-Crossup j.C, d.A, .C, Ex +K.+P, [DC] Ex +P, (wire) .C, +K *In theory, instead of the last +K you could do another Ex +K etc...
-Hyperhop/hop C, Ex air.+P, Ex +P (wires), .C, +K

If, --> Ex +K.+P, [DC] +P, [SC] qcfx2+P
If, --> +K.+P, [SC] qcfx2+P
If HD, --> [SC] qcfx2+P, [MC] hcbx2+P NM

-d.B, d.A, .C, Ex +P (wires), hcbx2+P NM
-qcb+P (counter), hcbx2+P NM

Just a bit of an oppinion based question here but has the EX vapor cannon made Maxima's super more redundant?

Robocop Two wrote:Just a bit of an oppinion based question here but has the EX vapor cannon made Maxima's super more redundant?

They are more or less equally fast, but the DM has a huge autoguard window so you can use it to anticipate things at long range (like fireballs, far pokes, jumps and other things). The EX cannon doesn't have that guard point window.

So no.

so there is more Auto guard on the super, but are you just going to be throwing out the super in the hope that they are pressing buttons? wouldn't you prefer to use a normal like cr.C, st.D or even a normal Vapour Cannon? I assume the super has quicker start-up and so is easier to use but surely you can still use the other normals when you're pressure or are they just too slow?

Also, combo wise the EX vapour cannon just seems like the wall bounce properties are just alot better seeing as you recieve a follow-up instead of the super which nets you nothing extra.

Robocop Two wrote:so there is more Auto guard on the super, but are you just going to be throwing out the super in the hope that they are pressing buttons? wouldn't you prefer to use a normal like cr.C, st.D or even a normal Vapour Cannon? I assume the super has quicker start-up and so is easier to use but surely you can still use the other normals when you're pressure or are they just too slow?

It's not that you "perform the DM and expect people to randomly press a button"; it's the other way around, at the proper range you can eye confirm enemy attacks and then throw the DM, absolutely no other move allows you to do that in XIII. The other autoguards are not the same, as unlike the DM they are not as fast as a light attack, since they are slower you actually need to input them prior to the enemy attacks (sans the case of jumps), and even with that the DM has more range than his other normal attacks.

I'm not gonna tell you that the DM is his best move or anything, but it's good to be used there for what it is for, and that was replacing his Bunker Buster.

It's obvious that the EX vapor cannon is just better for combos, everyone can tell you that much, but the normal cannon by itself is not suited to autoguard since is just too slow, and is hard to anticipate a move that much outside some slow recovery fireballs.